Monday, September 18, 2006

Why I'm an atheist, and why I wish The President was one too

As a child, I attended a Lutheran private school for several years, congregating in chapel every Friday morning and reciting a prayer before each class began. This same school doubled as my church of worship, wherein I spent every Sunday singing in the choir, tending to the church candelabra as an acolyte, walking the crucifix through the congregation as a crucifer, and later in my adolescence, studying the good book for my confirmation. These activities were not forced upon me by a set of god fearing parents, nor were they performed under the pretense of duty to my creator. Rather, I was involved in the church because it meant something to me personally. Around my late teens, through no fault of the church or god or anyone else, I found myself more interested in the secular concerns of man than the ethereal ideals and boundaries offered by the church. Why should this little background story of my once pious life matter to anyone on this blog or even society as a whole? It does not, and it should not.
As my knowledge of world history expanded, I began to realize a frightening pattern in the long line of world conflicts. While nationalism, states of oppression and a wantonness for freedom, simple misunderstanding, and expansionism are all ascribable foundations for many of these conflicts, no motive for conflict has been invoked as often as the will of god(s) http://www.geocities.com/athens/rhodes/3991/GodWars.html . For me, it seems like a perfect justification for any conflict; after all, what man would dare oppose the will of god? I suppose the man who believes in a different god would present a viable opponent to such divine action. Thus, throughout history we have seen people challenge their neighbor based on their differences of faith, men of power maintain that power through the Divine Right of Kings, less established religions paganized by the well established, and so on and so forth.
Being a secularist (which is how I will describe myself in this thread to remove any religious undertone from my personal position) has allowed me to look at historic events and current events without the opaque lenses of religious presupposition. I don't claim to be more informed than my religious counterparts. What I do claim; however, is that I can look at the laws of man without the laws of god as my yardstick. I am an American. Not a Catholic American, Muslim American, Jewish American, Protestant American, etc; rather, a simple, uncodified American of indeterminate European ancestry, and that is the way I expect to be governed and represented by those in office. With my vote, I have entrusted the government with the duty to represent all of America, not just those who share their religious beliefs. When Bush invokes god at the podium, I immediately question whose laws he is upholding, man's or god's, because all too often, they are not one in the same. Opposition to stem cell research, anti-abortion legislation, gay marriage prohibition, prayer in school, creationism revisited, the Iraqi War, and the such all on the basis of "what god would want us to do" is an irresponsible position for a man whose sole responsibility is to uphold The Constitution and the laws that have been enacted under that precedent. When organizations and individuals attempt to combine the laws of man and god, such as displaying the Ten Commandments in court houses, the weight of the laws of man are in effect undermined. I believe the laws as listed in the Ten Commandments are well represented in the American legal system, the system we are all bound, as Americans, to govern ourselves and to be governed. But to display the two in unison takes away the established validation of our laws, as if to say that we are bound to a higher authority, outside of this court, to follow these Commandments. I don't find it particularly offensive personally, just belittling to the rules of law that have been set forth to govern our society.
If religion has helped to shape a person into who he or she is today, giving them a basis for self governing morality and a relationship to a higher power, I say, "good for them." But when this religious foundation permeates into how they govern, particularly when the good book takes precedent over The Constitution, I feel that I am being misrepresented, just as every Jew, Muslim, Pagan, etc. Must also feel misrepresented. I didn't cast my vote at church. I don't think of god when I think about what makes me an American. And it is my preference, and frankly, the duty of the office, that when President Bush addresses the nation behind the great presidential seal of the White House podium, he does not mistake it for a preacher's pulpit.

9 Comments:

At 19/9/06 10:50 PM, Blogger Josh Glover said...

Well put, Todd. I especially liked the bit about how the laws of God should not undermine the laws of man. As Jesus said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, render unto God what is God's." I take this to mean that Christians are supposed to respect temporal laws. If the laws of man and God come into conflict, the decision to uphold the laws of God should be a private decision for each Christian. But the President of the United States is beholden to the laws of man, specifically the Constitution, and for him to invoke the laws of God as public policy is completely unacceptable.

I would like to think that this would be my position even if I were a Christian--I certainly know a lot of Christians who think this way.

I am either atheist or agnostic, depending on your definition of the terms, but were I an elected official, for me to put my personal spiritual beliefs ahead of the Constitution would be just as wrong as what Bush does.

 
At 21/9/06 5:04 PM, Blogger Sean said...

Yes, very well reasoned and well put, Todd. I agree with Josh.

Me personally, I'm a God-fearing Catholic Christian. Not very good at it, mind you, but I do try. On and off.

Even so, and keeping in mind Jesus' admonition to "...render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's", I have a question: does it make anyone else more than a little uncomfortable that there is something called the White House Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives? Ummmmmm, whose faith? Are we giving money to these groups? Are there as many Muslim groups as Jewish ones? Christian as Zen Buddhist? Scientologist? Mormon? Hindu?

Here is the executive order creating the OFBCI.

 
At 21/9/06 6:21 PM, Blogger Todd said...

Well, I’ve just spent the better part of an hour (sad, I know) reviewing the OFBCI mission statement, and I followed links to the federal grant page which shows allocation of tax payer money for various programs. As best as I can tell, this OFBCI does little more than allow small charities (faith based or secular) an equal standing with the big guys (Red Cross, Habitat For Humanity, etc.) for soliciting government funds. If that's actually the true involvement of the OFBCI, then I guess it’s not such a bad thing, but good luck figuring that out for sure. It's funny, according to its charter, the OFBCI is meant to remove the bureaucratic barriers for soliciting these grants, yet they still have plenty of red tape and covered tracks to prevent the average citizen from determining to which organizations this money is finally awarded. Go figure.

 
At 23/9/06 3:21 PM, Blogger Pete said...

Having read (and studied) a good bit of the history of the United States, including the Founding Era, I'd have to say that the Constitution was certainly born of secular thought, but it was, of course, not devoid of judeo-christian influence. The country, at that point, was almost wholly Protestant Christians. Those that were not were generally Catholic. Those in power were of Western European descent, and the Western European sense of morals was, and is, generally based on Judeo-Christian ethics.

However, don't be deceived by the flowery rhetoric of the Age into thinking the Founders were just sitting around in Philadelphia asking themselves "What would Jesus do?"

This was an amazing work of political science. That the individuals decisions on any given topic were influenced by their sense of right and wrong, which was in turn influenced by their religion, does not make the U.S. Constitution a document based on religion or even born of religion. I have to make decisions every day using my sense of right and wrong, which I'm sure are influenced by my Catholic faith, but I don't make intentionally "Catholic" decisions.

As for this statement:

"Make no mistake - This United States (I write that as two completely separate words) was assembled by men who would pass immediate judgement on you (athiests, agnostics, "hethens", etc.) that you would not be fit to serve in public office (as laid out the early state constitutions). I'm not making a judgement of anyone's character - only speaking of true US history."

This is at least partly true. However, it represents one of the many errors of the Age that have since been corrected. Remember, these same people also deemed African Americans as disqualified for office, citizenship (see Scott v. Sanford), or even personhood (see Three-Fifths Compromise). Not to mention, lest we forget, their 400 years of institutionlized slavery. What Christian teaching led the Founders to this particular decision? Citing the religious, or any other, bigotry of some of our Founding Fathers is hardly a point in your favor.

Luckily, the Founders recognized the bigotry of the Age (as least in part) and moved against it in the form of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. This Amendment, of course, merely states that Congress shall make no law establishing a religion. It has since been interpreted, by Founders and others, to support both the freedom of religion and the separation of church and state.

To wit, at the risk of starting a pointless quotation war (as you can find a Founding Father statement to support just about anything - kinda like the Bible: coincidence?) I submit the following:

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." (Thomas Jefferson, as President, in a letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 369).

Fin.

PS - where does Mr. Barton teach colonial history?

 
At 26/9/06 6:37 PM, Blogger Pete said...

This nation IS governed by, and therefore based on,
the Declaration of Independence (vehicle for
separation from England, though not truly a
"governing" document) and the Constitution (and before
that, the Articles of Confederation). That's just
historical and political fact. We can argue all day
about whether these documents were influenced to a
greater or lesser extent by their authors' religions
or religious beliefs, but that merely means that
Christianity (and I believe that each author of both
docs was at least nominally Christian) was an
INFLUENCE. The documents govern, be a citizen
Christian, Jew, Muslim, or "other". There is no other
basis upon which the United States' exitence, or its
citizens' rights, depends. This is not a new basis.
In fact, its age exactly cooincides with the age of
the United States, to the millisecond.

To recognize this fact is not to "renounce" God. To
argue that religion was a, not the, major influence on
the creation of these docs is not to "renounce" God.
Addtionally, to recognize human progress is not to
"renounce" God. Remember, there was a time in history
(not too long ago by Biblical standards - in fact,
about the same length of time before the Founding as
we stand now after the Founding) when becoming a
Protestant Christian was to "renounce" God and His Church.

And more to the point, as your last paragraph strongly
implied, to oppose the politics of the Religious Right
is not to "renouce" God. In fact, I would argue it
was presumption to the point of sin for the Religious
Right to openly proclaim they know the Will of God
while others of his flock do not.

Whenever I encounter someone intent on bringing religion (their religion, of course, how could there be any other?) into the public sphere, or for that matter, feel it necessary to broadcast their beliefs to the country (or world), and who look down upon those who do not make their religious beliefs a matter for public discourse, I am reminded of the wisdom of Matthew Chapter 6 (hope I'm getting the citation right, I always remember the words/ideas, not the citation itself - had to rely upon the web). I'm comforted by the fact that those bludgeoning me and others with their "holiness" are getting their reward right here in the ol' U.S. of A. (I'm looking straight at ya, Mr. President). I'm a patient man, I'll wait.

 
At 26/9/06 6:41 PM, Blogger Pete said...

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At 27/9/06 11:57 AM, Blogger Sean said...

Matthew Chapter 6... any particular verses? I'm curious what your citation is about/pertaining to.

 
At 27/9/06 12:00 PM, Blogger Sean said...

Perhaps this? Matthew 6:1-8?

1 "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2 So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

 
At 27/9/06 12:41 PM, Blogger Pete said...

Those are indeed the verses in question. I believe its a portion of the Sermon on the Mount, but I could be wrong.

 

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